About the episode
Wealthfront Head of New Product Strategy and All the Hacks podcast host Chris Hutchins rejoins Kevin to discuss portfolio construction in the current world of crypto and NFTs, Bitcoin-backed credit cards, and a hack to hold crypto in tax-efficient retirement accounts.
About our guest

Chris Hutchins
Chris Hutchins (@hutchins) is the Head of New Product Strategy at Wealthfront and host of the All the Hacks podcast. Previously he was co-founder and CEO of Grove (acquired by Wealthfront), co-founder of Milk (acquired by Google), and a Partner at GV, where he focused on seed and early-stage investments.
Topics covered
Links from the episode
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Bitcoin, Crypto, and Digital Currencies | Morgan Stanley
Andy Rachleff: Becoming a Better Investor | All The Hacks
Investing vs. Speculating: What’s the Difference? | Investopedia
What Is the Difference Between Risk Tolerance and Risk Capacity? | Investopedia
Dollar-Cost Averaging (DCA) | Investopedia
Zac Prince: Earning 7.5% on Cash, Investing in Crypto, and Trading Options | All The Hacks Podcast
Vanguard Total Stock Market ETF | Vanguard
Crypto Investing on Autopilot | Makara
Open Source DeFi Protocol | Aave
Algorithmic, Autonomous Interest Rate Protocol | Compound
The Decentralized Finance | DeFi Pulse
Bitcoin Maximalism | Investopedia
The Solana Blockchain — Ethereum Killer or Piece of a Larger Puzzle? | Modern Finance
Why Solana’s Cryptocurrency Is Gaining | The Motley Fool
Bitcoin Investment Trust | Grayscale
Low-Cost & Accessible Bitcoin Investment Trust | Osprey Funds
Bitcoin Investment Trust | BlockFi
Cryptocurrency Index and Beta Fund Provider | Bitwise
Individual Retirement Account (IRA) | Investopedia
Exchange Traded Fund (ETF) | Investopedia
Bitcoin ETF in the US a Matter of When, Not If: Says Grayscale CEO | CryptoPotato
Self-Directed Roth IRAs | The Motley Fool
The Official Crypto IRA Retirement Platform | Bitcoin IRA
Do More With An Alternative IRA | Alto IRA
Backdoor Roth IRA: The Benefits Explained | Investopedia
Visa Crypto Rewards Card | BlockFi
Visa Supports Transaction Settlement with USDC Stablecoin | TechCrunch
How to Use Tax-Loss Harvesting to Improve Your Returns | Investopedia
Cost Basis 101: How to Understand It | Investopedia
Kwame Christian: Mastering the Art of Negotiation | All The Hacks
Laura Vanderkam: Managing Your Time to Get More Done | All The Hacks
Leigh Rowan: Pro Travel Hacks for Every Aspect of Your Next Trip | All The Hacks
Show notes
Chris’ NFT FOMO and lost CryptoPunk blues.[02:10]
Why Kevin doesn’t ever want to get “laser-eyed” on any one coin. [24:12]
Missing in a measured way.[26:08]
How Kevin invests in high-risk coins by small chunks.[28:15]
Some of the ways to invest in crypto that go beyond just buying tokens.[31:06]
Love crypto? Hate taxes? IRAs are cool.[32:09]
Why trusts are now trading at a discount.[33:41]
What are the benefits of a backdoor Roth IRA?[42:33]
Thoughts on the current state of crypto-backed credit cards.[44:28]
Crypto credit card features Chris and Kevin would love to see in the future.[49:41]
What crypto products would Kevin love to see Wealthfront build? [53:52]
Now 20-something episodes deep, what does Chris’ All the Hacks podcast cover?[01:01:21]
The one free travel hack everyone should know (and why it works).[01:02:34]
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